Missing Friends – Ada, Frances, Tom and Harry Saggers

Local newspapers used to feature “Missing Friends” columns often. This one was from the Vancouver Sun, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 14 December 1930, on page 22 – The “Page of Old Country News”.

SAGGERS (Ada, Frances, Tom and Harry) believed to be living in Crisp Street, Limehouse, London. Inquirer niece Miss Ella Saggers, 30 Monkton Terrace, Jarmy [Jarrow?], Co, Durham.

Vancouver Sun, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, 14 December 1930 – The “Page of Old Country News”, page 22.

Surnames of those searched for and those searching are: Basterifield / Ludford; Hendon / Button; Hudson / Allen; McVeigh; Russell / Panks; Saggers; Sharpley; Wilde or Smith / Powell. Google News, digitized historical newspapers, link to this article: https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tyxlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uYgNAAAAIBAJ&pg=6458%2C1788584

Currently, June 2020, MyHeritage.com is opening up one of its genealogy collections free each day. There are two Canadian ones to come:

Canada Newspapers, 1752-2007, free on June 15, and

1921 Canada Census, free on June 16.

I couldn’t wait, so off to MyHeritage to see what I could find. With a free search, I found an interesting sounding Saggers result which told me the article was from the Vancouver Sun and gave the date. I did go to Newspapers.com which has the Vancouver Sun indexed and searchable, but no result came up.

However, I remembered that, years ago now, Google experimented with digitizing newspapers including some Vancouver Suns. It’s easy to find a newspaper by date if it was included. And there it was! No problem for me to go through the pages and find the article. (Of course, I like to read all or almost all the pages anyway. Great Christmas ads!)

I wonder if these are the newspapers included in MyHeritage’s collections? If so, bravo! as Google’s search for those papers is not that useful.

The 1921 Canadian census is available free too with page images at both Library and Archives Canada and Ancestry (register to search). But I have often said that if one search is good, two or three are better! Indexing is a difficult job; errors seem inevitable, so knowing there are other databases or indexes available can be very helpful.

Randy Seaver, at GeneaMusings, has a list of all the MyHeritage collections to be offered for free this month with the dates. It’s worth a close look.

“Taking Up the Challenge”

The latest edition of the Guild’s Journal of One-Name Studies (April-June 2020) has an article “Taking Up the Challenge” by Melody McKay Burton about the 2020 Guild 10-Blog Challenge which the Saggers Study particlpated in. One of the first Saggers articles is mentioned – on Sarah Saggers’ Christmas Pudding. Goodness! Christmas seems almost another time and place now that many have been ‘staying home’ for so long.

In May, I added my own great uncle Bert Saggers to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission’s “Wall of Remembrance”.

The most recent challenge the Saggers Study has been involved in is the 21 Day Connections Experiment over at my personal genealogy blog, CanadaGenealogy, or, Jane’s Your Aunt. See more about this Experiment here. One of the Experiment blog articles (Day 12) was about Sarah Saggers’ photograph album. If you would like to see her photos, contact me via this website. I have scanned the album and would be happy for you to see them if you think there might be a connection. And quite a while ago, I transcribed her last address book and put the names online, so you might find a connected name or a familiar address there. (Rogers-Saggers, Vancouver, BC – 1940s-1950s address book.)

Sarah Saggers Photograph Album – A page.

Happy St. Patrick’s Day! Best wishes for health and happiness.

I’ve been working on the few Irish connections I’ve seen for Saggers families and would be happy to hear from anyone with a Saggers individual or family who lived or worked in Ireland or had Irish parents or grandparents. Please contact me via this website or at: canadagenealogy @ shaw.ca

My own Saggers families have no Irish connections made (yet) but I do have lots in my Irwin families – mostly from County Cavan as far back as I can see at the moment.

There is one Irish Elin Saggers in Canada that I’d like to know more about. She’s listed in the 1861 census as a widow, 46 years old, so born about 1815, in Dublin, Ireland. She cannot read or write. She is living on a 1/4 acre with an Alfrid Clarke, age 12, born in London, Canada West. Both are Church of England.

Alfred may be the Alfred A Clarke, aged 1, born in Canada, listed in the 1851 census with John F. Clarke MD, 25 years old, born in England, and Susannah Clarke, 23 and Joseph W Clarke, 3, born in Canada, If so, I know more about this family, although not about Susannah’s parents. Dr. John F. Clarke was well known at the time.

Library and Archives Canada has Elin and Alfred indexed in the 1861 census as Elin Laggers and Sophia Clarke, as does Ancestry, but I believe that’s incorrect. Findmypast has them as Elin Saggers and Alfred Clarke. Library and Archives Canada 1851 census entry:

Census Year: 1861 Item Number: 1494954
Surname: Clarke Given Name(s): Sophia Age: 12
Province: Canada West (Ontario) District Name: London (City)
Sub-District Name: Ward no 11
View digitized page of Census of 1861 (Canada East, Canada West, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia) for Image No.: 4391537_00665
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LAC Index page: http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1861/Pages/results.aspx?k=London+AND+cnsSurname%3a%22clarke%22+AND+cnsAge%3a%2212%22+AND+cnsProvinceCode%3a%22CW%22

Spring is coming – Dandelion Wine

I’m happy to see that Spring is coming soon – on Thursday, March 19, early this year. And springtime makes me think of – dandelions! Here is my Grandma Sarah Saggers recipe for Dandelion Wine.

Barn and Dandelions: Along Castlederg road, north of Bolton, Ontario, Canada. Photograph by Allen McGregor, Flickr, CC by 2.0.

Dandelion Wine

1 gallon dandelion flowers

1 gallon boiling water

pour water over flowers and let stand 48 hours

then strain in stone jar add 4 lemons &

4 oranges cut into slices, 4 pounds sugar

& one yeast cake (fleishmans) and a package

of raisins, stir well & stand in a cool place.

Stir several times a day until ferman-

tation ceases & keep covered, in two weeks

strain & add 1 tea spoons bitter almond

then bottle & keep in cool dark place.

if possible let stand six weeks before

bottling.

Grandma Sarah Frances Saggers, handwritten recipe book, Dandelion Wine, personal collection.

Note: Grandma Sarah was from England, and likely never saw dandelions except there and in British Columbia. Here is a website with an amazing number of kinds of dandelions in the UK – Wild Flower Finders: https://wildflowerfinder.org.uk/Flowers/D/Dandelion/Dandelion.htm

Saggers photos – colourized

MyHeritage last week announced a new service – colourizing of photographs. I tried it out with a few of mine.

I know there’s a bit of angst online about this. But truly the world was full of colour before the development of colour film.

And it is certainly a fun thing to do. And may provoke some interest in all those ‘non-gen’ relatives out there.

You will see one in the header above. And one below.

The photo above shows my own Saggers family about 1905 in England before their emigration to Canada.

The photo below shows some of the Saggers families in Vancouver, British Columbia in July of 1929. Mothers are in the back row; kids in the front. My dad, George William Rogers, is the boy on the very end. Although his pants look like jeans in this colourized version, I suspect they were really dark grey or possibly brown fabric. However, blue jeans would certainly have lasted longer – I think he was quite an active kid!

If you’d like to try this out, go to MyHeritage – Colorize Your Heritage. If you are not a subscriber, you can do 10 photos free; if you are a full subscriber, there’s no limit and it’s free. Non-subscribers will have a small MyHeritage logo on their photos as below. The little palette logo signifies that the photo was colourized.

Read more at My Heritage about the colourization process, licensed by MyHeritage from DeOldify, created by Jason Antic and Dana Kelley. And about how MyHeritage is handling these photos.

MyHeritage would like to know if you might be interested in colourizing old black and white films in your possession. Contact them if you are.

Through Her Eyes Thursday – Brownie’s Party at Patutahi, New Zealand, 1935.

This article is my first following a new genealogy blogging prompt – “Through Her Eyes Thursday”, started by another Diane who blogs at This Hoosier’s Heritage. I intend to write about the women in the Saggers One-Name Study at least once a month.

From the Poverty Bay Herald newspaper, Volume LXII, Issue 18768, 26 July 1935, page 2.

An article including news about Alice Saggers.

PATUTAHI NEWS

                BROWNIE’S PARTY

                          ____

(Herald Correspondent.)

The prosperity that has attended the Girl Guide movement and its younger sister body, the Brownies, since their inception at Patutahi some years ago was amply demonstrated yesterday afternoon, when the latter organization celebrated its fifth birthday. The function, which took the form of a social gathering, attracted a full attendance of the local pack, there also being present representatives from the Manutuke and the Te Hapara troops.

                After an hour’s recreation in the form of organized games, it was with healthy appetites that the young people sat down to a sumptuous party tea provided by the local committee. Amid innumerable dainties, pride of place was given to a beautiful iced birthday cage [sic -cake] in the form of a log adorned with candles and toadstools, symbolical of the movement, the whole being the work of Miss Yolande Renner.

                A pretty ceremony was the lighting of the candles by Shirley Knight, the youngest Brownie present, and the cutting of the cake by Alice Saggers, the eldest. After tea Miss Meredith, district Tawny Owl, presented service badges to the following:–Mary McDermott, Peggy Waddell, Alice Saggers, Patricia Atkins, Betty Dickenson, and Dulcie Barber. The gathering concluded with the singing of “Taps” and the National Anthem.

                The following were amongst those present:–Miss Meredith, divisional Brown Owl, Mrs. A. J. Davis, captain, Patutahi Guides, Miss Price, captain, Manutuke Guides, Misses Buscke and F. Beauchamp, acting Tawny Owls, Manutuke Pack, Miss Ferguson, Te Hapara Brown Owl, Miss O’Halloran, acting Tawny Owl, 1st Gisborne Pack, Elsie Bryson, leader; Mesdames E. R. Renner, president, W. J. Atkins, J. Robb, F. Habgood, S. Wells, O. Williams, and A. Waddell. Apologies were received from Mrs. L. Balfour, divisional comsioner (sic), and the First Gisborne Brownie Pack. The girls included Alice Blakey, Rosalie Simpson, Noeline Miller, Phyllis McIntosh, Fay McKinley, Grace Cooper, and Margaret Hedron, Te Hapara; June Jones, Raina Waipara, Sophie Moeau, and Roa Beauchamp, Manutuke; Patricia, Anne and Alma Atkins, Dulcie Barber, Alice Saggers, Betty Dickenson, Peggy Waddell, and Shirley Knight.

My downloaded copy of this newspaper report from Papers Past, a project of The National Library of New Zealand / Te Puna Mātauranga o Aotearoa,  is courtesy of the Gisborne Herald Company which allows non-commercial use of their images under a CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license. The transcription is my own work.

Regions and Districts of New Zealand. Patutahi is on the north island, in the area of Gisborne.This map is by Korakys – Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0. In 2019, Poverty Bay (so named by Captain James Cook in 1769) was officially gazetted as Tūranganui-a-Kiwa / Poverty Bay.

1941 Wedding – Saggers and Knapp

I could not resist this Saggers-Knapp wedding announcement. Sounds a lovely ceremony, despite the times in 1941. With connections to Buckingham Palace, no less. Just wondering what happened to these two. Long and happily married, I hope!

GUARDSMAN BRIDEGROOM

Guardsman P. Saggers—Miss D. F. Knapp

The wedding took place on Saturday at Holy Trinity Church, Trowbridge, between Musician Percy Saggers, of the Grenadier Guards, son of Mr. F.A. Saggers of Bexley Heath, and Miss Dorothy Phyllis Knapp, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.G. Knapp of 14. Studley Rise, Trowbridge, who was formerly on the domestic staff at Buckingham Palace. The Rev. W. B. Church officiated.

Mr. J. Flay was at the organ, and besides playing other appropriate music, accompanied the hymns, “Lead us, Heavenly Father, lead us” and “The King of Love, my shepherd is.”

The bride, given in marriage by her father, was dressed in white satin, with wreath and veil and accessories to match. Her bouquet was of carnations. Her only bridesmaid, Miss Ivy Hawkes, a friend, also from Buckingham Palace, was dressed in blue taffeta.

The best man was Mr. Edward Saggers, and the groomsman, Mr. Arthur Saggers, both brothers of the bridegroom.

After the wedding a reception was held at 14. Studley Rise. The newly-married couple’s future home will be at Clapham Common.

Wiltshire Times and Trowbridge Advertiser, Saturday, July 5, 1941, page 3. Via findmypast.com

Saturday Night Genealogy Fun – Childhood Toys

Randy Seaver posts a regular Saturday Night Genealogy Fun challenge and this answer of mine is Saggers family related.

The challenge topic for this weekend came from Jen at Auntie Jen’s Family Trees. She had posted “Throwback Thursday Favorite Toys” on 23 January, and Linda Seaver thought it would make a good SNGF topic. And Randy agreed.

“What are some (one or more) of the toys you played with as a child?
Share your favorite toy(s) with us….”

My favourite toys were books and dolls, to put them alphabetically. I don’t know which I’d have rated first when I was little. Before I left ‘home’ I ended up with a lot of dolls, and quite a lot of books. I still have a few of the dolls and a lot of the books – and more.

Not everything was brand new. In fact, since my Na enlisted me to help at the church sales she was involved in, I often got to pick out dolls and books second hand. And sometimes, if I was lucky, things were passed down to us.

Here is a now old book with thick board pages given to me by my great aunt and uncle, Uncle Bob and Aunt Elsie, my grandmother’s sister. It’s ‘well loved’, but still good enough that I read it to my little grandson.

It was published in England – the Saggers sisters were all from there; they’d emigrated to Canada in 1907. The book is from the 1940s so someone brought it back from a trip or perhaps a relative in England sent it here to Vancouver. As I child I didn’t care that a few scenes weren’t familiar ones but as it happens, many were. As you will see, the book was inscribed for me by Auntie Elsie and Uncle Bob. I’m sure I was excited about that. Not for my baby brother!

I was pretty careful with my books; my mother was always watchful, I thought. But this book does have initials pencilled in on almost every page. Whose, I wonder? And whose writing? I know it’s not mine. Maybe it’s one of those Saggers-Westwood cousins??

Happy Hours child's book cover 1940
Happy Hours children’s book, 1940s.
Published in Great Britain by Thomas Nelson and Sons, Ltd.
Happy Hours book page-little curl with paper curls in her hair
Home-Made Curls, For A Change. Happy Hours children’s book. Honor C Appleton was the artist. I am surprised I don’t remember trying to add some paper curls to my long and annoyingly straight hair. Perhaps Mum confiscated the scissors!
Happy Hours book page - Playing in the snow
Splendid Fun In the SnowHappy Hours children’s book. I’m afraid I can’t make out the artist’s name. Perhaps someone knows?
This scene in Vancouver, BC is one kids here all like to see.
And at the top, very faint now, is the inscription to me.

Organizing the Saggers Surname Study – 2020 style

January (or late December) is usually the time we take a look at what was accomplished in the previous year, and plan for the year ahead. The Saggers One-Name Study is one of several projects I have on the go so my plans for the first quarter of the year were specific, but not too grand.

Two members of the Guild started a blog challenge though in December and I did join in quite happily. So far I’ve kept up with my own goals here and I’ve written a couple of blog posts to hold back as ‘insurance’. If you are a member of the Guild of One-Name Studies and want to join us, there’s still time! Follow this link to the GOONS Blog Challenge 2020 on Facebook.

One goal for this year was to organize the references I do have for Saggers families in South Africa and to develop that information into a new Saggers tree. I still intend on doing that but!

What I didn’t quite count on was this particular wrinkle. Ancestry announced pretty suddenly that it’s discontinuing all its Rootsweb e-mail lists as of 1 March 2020. I’m the administrator for a number of those lists, including a SAGGARS surname list, so like the other Rootsweb list volunteers, I’ve been spending time deciding on a new home for my lists, and moving them away from Rootsweb. Most of my lists now will have a new home at Groups.io. It’s been an interesting process and I can see advantages for us there in the future.

So if you’d like to join the new SAGGERS Surname e-mail list, please click here to join. This is a free mailing list for the discussion and sharing of information regarding families associated with the Saggers surname and variations (e.g., Sagars, Sager, Saggars, Sagger, Saggers, Sagers, Saggus…) in any place and at any time.

I’m editing this post a bit as I forgot to say that this is entered in The Genealogy Blog Party this month. How could I forget?! The theme for January: ORGANIZE AND PRIORITIZE. Very appropriate for the beginning of the year. And something all genealogists strive for – so do follow this link and have a look at all the other ideas and articles submitted for this month’s challenge hosted by Elizabeth at MyDescendantsancestors.com And if you’re a blogger or post about genealogy on social media, join the Party!

Now I’m really rolling on back to my 2020 plans!

A young cousin in Vancouver, BC, Canada on his Piggly Wiggly wagon. 1920s.
One of my Saggers family cousins in Vancouver, BC, Canada. Late 1920s? Personal collection.

Is a Saggart a Saggers? – short answer, No.

I was asked at one event about other surnames that might be similar to Saggers or Saggers, the focus of my one-name study. And how I’d decide whether to add another to this study.

One surname I certainly see in search results is Saggart which on viewing often does turn out to be obviously Saggars – or Taggart. Taggart/Taggert I soon learned could be an accepted variant of Saggart which comes from Old Irish – sacart, priest, from the Latin sacerdōs.

There is a DNA project at Family Tree DNA for “MacTaggart or Taggart, for all spellings. (And 9 other possible projects listed.) I do not yet see a one-name study for Saggert/Taggart or any variations. It seems to me it would be a smallish study and quite interesting.

But this surname I am certain has quite a different derivation than the Saggers surnames so I won’t be adding it to my study. But if I found a Saggart/Taggart in my own tree, I might be quite eager to study these families!

Recently I noticed this entry in the Irish Newspaper Collection results (Findmypast.com) mentioning a Saggart Village in Kildare, Ireland. I thought I’d investigate just a little.

The Freeman’s Journal, Dublin, Ireland,

Thursday, 17 December 1868, page 3.
Sporting Intelligence, Hunting Appointments. December.

Kildare Hounds—17th Bray: 19th, Hollywood; 21st, Kilcock; 23rd, Spratstown Bridge; 26th, Dunmurry; 28th, Donadea Castle; 29th Saggart Village; 31st Dunlavin. At 11. “

I found that Saggart Village was once known as Tassagart/Tassagart. Its name comes from a 7th century monastery Teach Sacra (House of Sacra founded by St Mosacra) that once was there. For more about Saggart, see the South Dublin County History website: http://www.southdublinhistory.ie/content.aspx?area=Saggart&type=history

And then there are the Ballysaggartmore1 follies, the Towers near Waterford.

Ballysaggartmore Towers Gatehouse
cc-by-sa/2.0 – © Hywel Williams – geograph.org.uk/p/2868574

Learn more about Ballysaggartmore on the Discover Ireland website: https://www.discoverireland.ie/Arts-Culture-Heritage/ballysaggartmore-towers/49230

And if you are a Saggart/Taggart2 and decide to start a One-Name Study, do let me know.

REFERENCES

  1. The Very Rev P. Canon Power translates their name as “Baile na Sagart “Priests’ Town.” (The Place-Names of Decies, Second Edition, Cork University Press Oxford, B.H. Blackwell, Ltd. 1952, his revised Edition published after his 1951 death. No page numbers. His original version, 1907.) Available free on the Waterford Libraries/ Leabharlanna Phort Láirge website (http://waterfordlibraries.ie/local-studies/ ): http://snap.waterfordcoco.ie/collections/ebooks/106325/106325.pdf
  2. For McTaggart, et al. in brief, see The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland, by Patrick Hanks, Richard Coates, Peter McClure (Oxford University Press, 2016), page 1808 for McTagart, McTaggart, and McTaggert; page 2617 for Taggard, Taggart, and Taggert. Available for searches at Google Books: https://books.google.ca/books/about/The_Oxford_Dictionary_of_Family_Names_in.html?id=0AyDDQAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y